Notes and news on genealogy and family history by Steve Hayes and Val Greene. We live in Tshwane, South Africa, and we are especially interested in family history in southern Africa, the UK, Germany, Australia, New Zealand and Canada.
Thursday, March 06, 2008
Bridget Hayes -graduation
Pictures here (the pictures are on Facebook, and you have to be logged in to see them).
Saturday, March 01, 2008
Hailee Growden in volleyball team
The Hagerstown Community College volleyball team underwent a changing of the guard Thursday at the HCC athletic complex.
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Thursday, February 28, 2008
Simon's birthday
Here he is with our puppy Fluffy Lumpkin, three and a half months old.
Saturday, January 19, 2008
Found! Ida Carolina von Lilienstein, wife of Henry Green
Henry Green, the British Resident of the Orange River Sovereignty in the early 1850s, came to South Africa some time in the 1840s, as did several of his siblings, including Fred (Val's great great grandfather), Edward, Charles and Arthur.
It was known that Henry Green married Ida Carolina von Lilienstein, daughter of Count von Lilienstein, but little was known about her parents. Many of their descendants have tried to find out more, especially her mother's name, but without success.
Ione Evans asked a researcher to check German records, and and finally found:
Congregation of Itzehoe, Christenings in the year 1836, daughters, page No 11, born on 4 December 1835, christened on 24 December 1835 Ida Caroline Johanna, legitimate daughter of local constable at the regiment of light dragoon, Carl Arthur Count zu LILIENSTEIN and Catharina Elise née STAEKER, christened by me at home. God parents: Carl von BARDENFLETH, colonel and head of the regiment, Martin von WILEMOOS SUHM, Premier Major, Johannes von EWALD, major (translation)
This will be especially good news for descendants of Henry and Ida, as Ida's ancestors will be theirs as well, but for the rest of us too, the irritating gap waiting to be filled by "Spouse's mother" can at last be filled.
In the course of our researches into the Green family we have met several descendants of Henry and Ida, and corresponded with many more. Some of them have been enthusiastic researchers into the family history, and many of them have helped us a great deal with our researches. We were in correspondence for a while with Hal Green in Swaziland. Jack and Peggy (nee Tapscott) Stokes visited us when we lived in Melmoth in Zululand, and stayed several days with their caravan in our back yard, and we spent many evening poring over family records, trying to sort out chronology and relationships.
One of the longest-standing mysteries (to us, at any rate) was what happened to Edith Susanna Green, daughter of Henry and Ida. She had married Ernest Borwick and then, apparently, disappeared off the face of the earth. Then we made contact with Ione Evans, a descendant of that branch, who filled in several generations. Ernest Borwick farmed in Kenya, and several of their seven children lived there, and some married and moved to other countries. Ione Evans is still following up some of the descendants, but has also been working backwards on the von (or zu) Lilienstein side as well, for which we are all grateful.
Saturday, January 12, 2008
My Heritage web site
I went to the linked web site, where i was apparently a member, and my family tree was there, but with several thousand more people than it actually has. I have no recollection of joining the site, but I had a look at it, and some of the matches seemed interesting, though some of them seemed to have just nicked data from my family tree!
Anyway, if anyone is interested, have a look at it here.
Wednesday, January 09, 2008
Some Stooke descendants added
Mike Gouge sent information on descendants of George Frederick Stooke (4590) and Alfred Thomas Stooke (4592), including information on the Hanna, Matura, Kymer and Brennan families.
Barbara Cox sent information on Richard Elworthy who married Annie Stooke, and settled in Australia.
Thursday, December 27, 2007
Family visits
Sunday, November 25, 2007
Val's birthday and name day
It was Val's birthday and Name Day today (St Katherine of Alexandria), and we had a pretty busy day. First we went to the Hours and Readers Service at Mamelodi, and then went to the annual prizegiving at St Athanasius School in Tembisa, with the monks from St Thomas's Orthodox Church in Sunninghill. Here is Val with Fr Evsevije (Eusebius).At the prizegiving just about all the children got certificates for something, and several of them presented plays or sang songs.
For a fuller report see my Khanya blog.
Ogilvie family and other news
This David Ogilvie (1852-1943) had a fairly interesting life, and Andy wondered if he was related to the Ogilvie family of the Eastern Cape, from which Andy himself is descended.
We couldn't trace any connection, however.
The Ogilvie connection is through Emily Ogilvie (1827-1912) who married Edward Lister Green (1827-1887), who was the brother of Val's Great Great Grandfather Frederick Thomas Green (1829-1876). The Green brothers were born in Montreal, Canada, and came to South Africa with their widowed father in the 1840s.
Edward Lister Green was a soldier who served in India, China and Ireland, and eventually moved to New Zealand, where he died in 1887. Some of their children moved to the USA, and Emily died in California where she was living with her daughter Maud Ogilvie Jowett.
Emily was the daughter of William Ogilvie (1795-1850) who fought at Waterloo and came to the Cape Colony with Lord Charles Somerset, the Governor. He married Mary Maria Hollings, who was governess to Lord Charles Somerset's family. They had four sons and four daughters, but none of them seem to have had Minnesota connections, other than some of Emily's descendants. William Ogilvie had a hardware store, and sold Westley-Richards rifles, and two members of the Richards family came from Birmingham to Grahamstown and married two of the Ogilvie daughters. Andy Nation of New Zealand had Edward Lister Green's diary and sent us a copy of it with some family history notes he had made. We have transcribed it on to computer, and can send copies to interested family members. There is more information about the Ogilvies in Some frontier families by I. Mitford-Barberton and Violet White (Cape Town, Human & Rousseau, 1968).
Edward and Emily Green had 6 children, and among their descendants are the Nation, Rutherfurd, Mocine, Lewis and Blum families.
In more immediate family news, our dog Ariel recently had puppies in her old age. For anyone interested, there is a report and pictures on my tribal blog.
Sunday, October 28, 2007
Hailee Growden chosen as queen of the Mummers Parade
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Saturday, October 27, 2007
Romange Growden objects to cemetery party
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Friday, October 26, 2007
Hayes, Dunn, Doddrell
She is descended from Gertrude Hayes who married Robert Seymour Dunn, and we're looking forward to an exchange of family history information.
Wednesday, September 19, 2007
Hospital
Thursday, August 09, 2007
Accident
I took her to Sunninghill Hospital on the way home, and they put her arm in a sling and did all sorts of X-rays, and asked her to come back and see an orthopaedic specialist the next day. So yestyerday I took her back to the hospital for that, and she got an even more fancy cling, and they said a bone in her shoulder is cracked, so she will be sort of incapacitated for the next six weeks or so.
Tuesday, July 10, 2007
And you thought your family had skeletons in the cupboard
How about this: Yes, I'm related to that Himmler.
